American Indians Issues are Not the Same As Kanaka Maoli/Kanaka Hawaii Maoli Issues but the Recognition by Other Nations Aside from the U.S. is Key, Truth is Key
Review by Amelia Gora (2020)
The following thread came off of Facebook....Complex are the issues but the Truth is Revealed in the discussions below:
Do you think native american indians should have respected land titles? Do you think it was wrong that america uses king henry of englands land title of conquest? How do you propose we deal with america as a group?
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- I think that Americans may have jumped the gun in claiming America are theirs through conquest..... Think research has to be made on which nation recognized at least one tribe and answers will come from there...for example, if Spain recognized a tribe, then the recognition would be had as a nation....the game played by England and the U.S. is civilized and uncivilized....the thinking is that the uncivilized could be conquered......and the lands taken, stolen....the Papal Bulls edict in 1492 was enacted by the Vatican given authority to plunder upon innocents.....the Vatican became part of the 1822 Secret Treaty of Verona which included Austria, France, Prussia, Russia, Great Britain, the U.S. and the Vatican who was complemented for maintaining obedience among the people....the group targeted Monarchy governments worldwide...... including Hawaii which had a Monarchy then a Constitutional Monarchy...... American Indians until treaties with other nations aside from the U.S. is found, was seen as uncivilized.....but in reality were protecting their homes, food supplies, etc......Americans were the castouts of England and began as a penal colony made up of 13 colonies....a fact that they want to hide.... many Americans don't know that they are still part of England because they are still known as "a colony of the Crown (of England)"..... the Rush-Baggot Treaty, the secret banker's constitution of 1871 also connects America to England..... someone who came to Hawaii recently is a new archivist who had been working on the American Indian records and moved to destroy records.....so why destroy the records? am thinking that there must be evidence that there were treaties outside of the U.S. by other nations who recognized the Indians as a nation over time........think American Indians need to get their information together and that would definitely help in gaining recognition of being a separate nation..... not only was the Hawaiian Kingdom used abused pirated, pillaged upon but also the American Indians.....much can be done utilizing whistleblowers such as Russell Means, who have recorded much which can be used as a basis for justice, peace, etc. If we can be of help, contact us at theiolani@gmail.com or hwngensoc.akg@juno.com Best wishes, aloha. p.s. am part Apache - one of the descendants of Geronimo too and feel for native peeps too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoO3yga6Ln8
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- Cody Wolfchild...answered some of your questions...see above https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Y4kpZ7xQk
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- Okay dom, I think its the moi versus alii thing and america stay using moi except its white so “Woi”but they like pretend that alii were moi or woi so that they can say you just couldnt defend yourselves against the superior moi, the white mans woi. They wrote that we were almost as civilized as them but more civilized than any other people of color, sad to admit cause it makes me sound part of it, but then they switched to democracy and started making treaties with natives. So I mean ... Treaties are in the constitution as legal and you cant make land treaties with uncivilized people so actually they thought of us as civilized just like competition. Competition, so thats why they had to bring in royals land title thinking we wouldnt know what to do if they had a king for all the white subjects to unite over and rally around. Didnt fool us at all tho. They think we are civilized because they already know us by our casinos. I dunno but since we have a civilized image today, why believe in the imagery of back then? A new age of what people know and are willing to accept as fact is upon us which im thankful for. So. Couldnt whites maybe have been pretending they thought of you as equal royals back then? Dont ya think they coulda planned this out ahead of time lying to both parties equally or does one have to be upper or lower?
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- The Treaty of 1850 is significant because the Hawaiian Kingdom was already recognized as part of the family of nations since 1843 with the U.S., Great Britain, and France.... in 1841 Belgium recognized the Hawaiian Kingdom.....and Russia recognized the Hawaiian archipelago before 1810....1810 was the year that Kamehameha was recognized King of a Monarchy government.......1843 Kamehameha III - Kauikeaouli was recognized as the King of a Constitutional Monarchy government....... the Aliens took credit for the land projects including the Great Mahele....... Hawaiian issues are Not the same as American Indian issues..... the point that was brought out is the fact that an archivist was busy at work destroying American Indian records and has come to Hawaii to do the same.....point is, the American Indians have some important records that have been targeted to be destroyed.....best that American Indian researchers find out what those records are and reveal it to the public ....because "Uncle Sam" has something to hide and suggest that American Indians find out what it is! ....casinos are just a diversion and covering up with more problems....drugs, prostitution, etc. ....counting on researchers to bring out the truth......... aloha.
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- Amelia GoraIm not sure what hidden records youre talking about but it doesnt matter if originals get destroyed when theres copies, this sounds funny because almost everyone has a conspiracy theory about america and theres treaties all over the place, we cant get anywhere convincing eachother our claims are real so yelling about eachothers treaties doesnt matter to them because as pagans in the promised land says theyre using a white king to say our treaties etc dont matter. So whats the use. I say we deal with it like a race issue because racism controls white people but its state violence that controls people of color. I say we stop trying to flex our real and address the royal white elephant in the room. How can I say this .... when they dont recognize values of the land time to start using what they cant ignore, money, we can beat their system from the inside using a casino plus social media to show that we are too good to be stuck in their system and have answers to all their tricky questions. Natives gottem.We been holding them off for a hundred years from landing while south america was getting its empires toppled as why salty, anglo vs latin in a cultural show while they physically control their countries and rewrite history but theres monuments out there to indians and treaty signing mementos on fireplace walls so if they dont wash away enough its always gonna look like a fake conquering, attempt at a cover up again and again. Documents are being copied and combined to form maps all the time that show where we are supposed to have either land or points of income, main thing is being able to frame the bigger picture past the state and local to combine federal at the founding level for people so it clicks.
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- Wolfchild ...kool name btw....one of my son's name is bear....at an American Indian activity, there were so many bears in the same room... that was totally kool! anyway, the point of my opinion is that the American Indians needs to focus on other nations aside from the U.S. who gave them recognition.... a brief look at the treatie via the Library of Congress website shows articles specifically exposing treaties, etc...... see: https://maoliworld.com/.../the-american-indian-treaties... as for conspiracies....i say WHAT? I spoke with an archivist who gave me the information which was reported a number of times by several people ....in Hawaii, our documents were destroyed by Agnes Conrad, info shared by my former father-in-law (dec.) but I documented that fact....now this new archivist named Adam Jensen is a computer whiz, owned his own business, and destroyed American Indian records, then came to Hawaii apparently to destroy records as well.....information was gotten by an archivist who knew the fact and shared it with me outside of the Archives.....a number of us have observed Jensen with loaded backpacks leaving the Archives.......reports were made to the Police and F.B.I. by myself and others.......so you think these are conspiracies? lol.... best you inform your American Indian tribes and be aware of these issues....it's called G E N O C I D E /genocide........destructing happens because the truth is feared......suggest you do your duty and empower your people.......see the articles that i pulled up and available at the chroniclingamerica.com website and share it with your peeps..... aloha.
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- Amelia GoraYeah they ignore us because they use a white king thats all we can see, i keep suggesting you research the doctrine of discovery and reconcile they duped ya and made the u.s. anyway so that brings us back to the u.s. right or wrong so your just some ex nation telling another one to side with the founders of america, those international nations are the ones ignoring the treaties, the agreements and then wrote the homestead act which sold off all the reservations to settlers, internationals are the immigrants who ran for congress and sit at the legislature who made the rules for our people and call us all indians. I say our people because we are in the same america if you ask them. Im not here to make white people think im hawaiian im here to make hawaiians think they are indians because thats what white people say we are. Suppose they dont care they made america in only their image then what are we gonna do, tell them to research their own origins? We did all the research but all the means anything to them is this blood percent being opposite englands and hawaiis based on might makes right. King henry is the new moi of north america followed by his founders while king castile of spain got south, as why race wars stay going on and land title goes with blood percent for me and you. Its trippy and harder to see because it only benefits peoples communities who had land all this time. Im hoping for a united native nations either officially or on social media that can be our best tool for getting our land back.
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- OH! I think I know what you’re looking at as possible treaties between nations not the u.s., well britain signed the 1750-60-70 something “non intercourse” act which forbid the 13 colonies from purchasing native land or writing treaties above england and they were strict about only honoring treaties made at an official signing station with other people observing, watching the treaties get signed and both sides agreeing so that people would know they weren’t just finding random indians and making them sign treaties. France did that too with us and we fought on both sides depending on which side wanted to take our lands like that time we stormed washington and burned down the white house and over 150 forts once america took over. America shares its history with native american indians as it does the settlers from whence before times even they were weak fledgling immigrants trying to steer one nations boat into anothers, so finally america got fed up with britain not letting them invade native lands without european permission from europe, thats why they made the revolutionary war.If natives really wana gettem we call out their revolution as fake news cause what about the indians getting back their land through our revolution america keeps trying to stop, meanwhile they went back to a white king, the whole time natives saw their royal battles so we played them against each other so they would only have whiteness at the end of it like today, they were too busy fighting each other to take all of our land and its obvious what they’re rallying around. If this wasnt true king henry wouldnt be in supreme court code. Like what if today the european union broke up n started fighting each other again, which treaties with international nations would you count on to get your land back from? Hard to call from that distance and today americas more recent 1900s stuff is considered valid if we were to get them all in the same room together. I know our people have a lot of points to show that we were friendly but when the nation goes back to being unfriendly towards natives like it is today they dont even care whos the smartest of them all.Theyre trying to not look dumb for not seeing this earlier if anything and then ask “so whats the realistic solution?” Cant give all the land back so how do natives plan to drive this economy theyll ask. What kind of government do natives want?(Then it either looks like more kings or democracy). I dont but into the my people are smarter than your people argument. Theres history which was bad and modern ways to change it. Let how well we negotiate with each other be an indicator of how well each of our peoples can negotiate with all those other outside groups, it might be like learning to share a cell in a jail and telling your cell mate what your boundaries are, okay.This makes me have a few questions.So if theyre using a white king and ppl dont know, why dont we just walk up there and tell them? If you can tell native american indians what to look into why cant you tell white pilgrim america that they came from king henry? Seems like all this kingdom jazz was made just to keep hawaiians scolding american indians or vice versa, we go turn it around already on europe and the u.s., maybe they just never heard it from the king v king side. Not trying to scold anybody by the way just a suggestion. So we did play and win at international chess but they wanted to form america and not share. Thanks for the reply, i think the world needs to hear these conversations.
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- the Papal Bulls have been the most damaging to people"Papal Bulls - Doctrine of DiscoveryThe Bull Romanus Pontifex (Nicholas V), January 8, 1454. The Legal Battle and Spiritual War against the Native People, The Bull Inter Caetera (Alexander VI), May 4, 1493. Expansion of Papal Bulls. Treaty of Tordesillas, June 7, 1494. Patent Granted by King Henry VII to John Cabot and his Sons, March 5, 1496."
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- The Spanish were problematic due to the Crusaders activities....then, it appears that the U.S. replaced the Crusaders?
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- the 13 penal colonies began based on the cast outs of the English society making home on Indian territory. ... the Rush-Baggot treaty between the Americans and Great Britain continued the connection between them.... the Papal Bulls was used by foreigners claiming lands belonging to the people considered "uncivilized". Americans fought with Indians for Great Britain, then fought with Great Britain for independence. Americans continued to be part of Great Britain which shows in the 1871 secret banker's constitution which was revealed by Karen Hudes of the World Bank, Alana Fleischmann of J.P. Morgan bankers, and Vladimir Putin from Russia. .... in 1822 a Secret Treaty of Verona was signed by Austria, France, Prussia, Russia, Great Britain, the Vatican, and the United States was signed affecting Monarchy governments worldwide. so, our issues are different from the American Indians .... "the native people" and "Monarchy government recognized people such as in Hawaii"......see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UBXHSFr4bw the Cherokee were recognized by several nations, and the kanaka maoli/kanaka Hawaii maoli were recognized by Russia for our Hawaiian archipelago, Belgium- a Monarchy government, Great Britain - a Monarchy government, U.S. "a colony of the Crown (of England)", and the Vatican - the Pope recognized for maintaining OBEDIENCE among the people........ the American Indians information and now the kanaka maoli information has been or is being destroyed by genocide activists.....the records are "digitized", basically destroying valuable records....... the valuable records needs to be maintained, not destroyed for the truth is valuable....appears that the Library of Congress maintains much important records.... answers need to be obtained by the people still..... American Indians and the kanaka maoli as well.....
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