The Legitimate Government in Hawaii Series: American Civil War Losers
Reviewed by Amelia Gora (2023)
MONDAY, DECEMBER 11, 2017
American Civil War Losers and their Effects on Society Today or Historical and Inbred Anger Influencing Southern U.S. Presidents and Hawaii Since 1863
American Civil War Losers and their Effects on Society Today
or
Historical and Inbred Anger Influencing Southern U.S. Presidents
and Hawaii Since 1863
Review by Amelia Gora (2017)
Have you noticed how the Southerner's attitude plays a role in Society today and the moves to Plunder Upon Innocents in the U.S., Hawaii, and Abroad?
The following excerpts about the Northern and Southern perspectives from a book REFLECTIONS AND COMMENTS written by Edwin Lawrence Godkin (1877) under the Chapter: The South After the War, brought on curiosities leading to the idea that war losers in this case the American Civil War has been influential in Southern born U.S. Presidents attitudes when interacting with "People of Color":
Godkin wrote: "as one Southerner expressed it to me on my mentioning the change, "Yes, sir, we have been brought into intellectual and moral relations with the rest of the civilized world." All subjects are now open at the South in conversation.
In confessing this, they would, they think, be confessing that their sons and brothers and fathers had perished miserably in a causeless struggle on which they ought never to have entered, and this, of course, would look like a slur on their memory, and their memory is still, after the lapse of twelve years, very sacred and very dear.
I doubt if many people at the North have an adequate notion of the intensity of the emotions with which Southerners look back on the war; and I mean tender and not revengeful or malignant emotions. The losses of the battle-field were deeply felt at the North—in many households down to the very roots of life; but on the whole they fell on a large and prosperous population, on a community which in the very thick of the fray seemed to be rolling up wealth, which revelled as it fought, and came out of the battle triumphant, exultant, and powerful.
At the South they swept through a scanty population with the most searching destructiveness, and when all was over they had to be wept over in ruined homes and in the midst of a society which was wrecked from top to bottom, and in which all relatives and friends had sunk together to common perdition. There has been no other such cataclysm in history.
Great states have been conquered before now, but conquest did not mean a sudden and desolating social revolution; so that to a Southerner the loss of relatives on the battle-field or in the hospital is associated with the loss of everything else.
A gentleman told me of his going, at the close of the war, into a little church in South Carolina on Sunday, and finding it filled with women, who were all in black, and who cried during the singing. It reminded one of the scene in the cathedral at Leyden, when the people got together to chant a Te Deum on hearing that the besieging army was gone; but, the music suddenly dying out, the air was filled with the sounds of sobbing.
The Leydeners, however, were weak and half-starved people, weeping over a great deliverance; these South Carolinians were weeping before endless bereavement and hopeless poverty. I doubt much if any community in the modern world was ever so ruthlessly brought face to face with what is sternest and hardest in human life; and those of them who have looked at it without flinching have something which any of us may envy them.
What Mr. Boutwell and Mr. Blaine would have us believe is that Southerners are a peculiar breed of men, on whom time produces no effect whatever, and who feel about things that happened twenty years ago just as they feel about things which happened a month ago.
With them the war is history—tender, touching, and heroic history if you will, but having no sort of connection with the practical life of to-day. Some of us at the North think their minds are occupied with schemes for the assassination and spoliation of negroes, and for a "new rebellion." Their minds are really occupied with making money, and the farms show it, and their designs on the negro are confined to getting him to work for low wages. His wages are low—forty cents a day and rations, which cost ten cents—but he is content with it. I saw negroes seeking employment at this rate, and glad to get it; and in the making of the bargain nothing could be more commercial, apparently, than the relations of the parties. They were evidently laborer and employer to each other, and nothing more."
Reference:
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7257/pg7257-images.html
Highlighted Information or the Dynamics of Southern Attitudes
"Southerners are a peculiar breed of men, on whom time produces no effect whatever, and who feel about things that happened twenty years ago just as they feel about things which happened a month ago."
or
Historical and Inbred Anger Influencing Southern U.S. Presidents
and Hawaii Since 1863
Review by Amelia Gora (2017)
Have you noticed how the Southerner's attitude plays a role in Society today and the moves to Plunder Upon Innocents in the U.S., Hawaii, and Abroad?
The following excerpts about the Northern and Southern perspectives from a book REFLECTIONS AND COMMENTS written by Edwin Lawrence Godkin (1877) under the Chapter: The South After the War, brought on curiosities leading to the idea that war losers in this case the American Civil War has been influential in Southern born U.S. Presidents attitudes when interacting with "People of Color":
Godkin wrote: "as one Southerner expressed it to me on my mentioning the change, "Yes, sir, we have been brought into intellectual and moral relations with the rest of the civilized world." All subjects are now open at the South in conversation.
Is this true? it will probably be asked, with regard to the late war. Can you talk freely about that? Not exactly; but then the limitations on your discourse on this point are not peculiar to the South; they are such as would be put upon the discourse of two parties to a bloody contest in any civilized country among well-bred men or women. The events of the war you can discuss freely, but you are hardly at liberty to denounce Southern soldiers or officers, or accuse them of "rebellion," or to assume that they fought for base or wicked motives. Moreover, in a certain sense, all Southerners are still "unrepentant rebels." Doubtless, in view of the result, they will acknowledge that the war was a gigantic mistake; but I found that if I sought for an admission that, if it was all to do over again, they would not fight, I was touching on a very tender point, and I was gently but firmly repelled. The reason is plain enough.
In confessing this, they would, they think, be confessing that their sons and brothers and fathers had perished miserably in a causeless struggle on which they ought never to have entered, and this, of course, would look like a slur on their memory, and their memory is still, after the lapse of twelve years, very sacred and very dear.
I doubt if many people at the North have an adequate notion of the intensity of the emotions with which Southerners look back on the war; and I mean tender and not revengeful or malignant emotions. The losses of the battle-field were deeply felt at the North—in many households down to the very roots of life; but on the whole they fell on a large and prosperous population, on a community which in the very thick of the fray seemed to be rolling up wealth, which revelled as it fought, and came out of the battle triumphant, exultant, and powerful.
At the South they swept through a scanty population with the most searching destructiveness, and when all was over they had to be wept over in ruined homes and in the midst of a society which was wrecked from top to bottom, and in which all relatives and friends had sunk together to common perdition. There has been no other such cataclysm in history.
Great states have been conquered before now, but conquest did not mean a sudden and desolating social revolution; so that to a Southerner the loss of relatives on the battle-field or in the hospital is associated with the loss of everything else.
A gentleman told me of his going, at the close of the war, into a little church in South Carolina on Sunday, and finding it filled with women, who were all in black, and who cried during the singing. It reminded one of the scene in the cathedral at Leyden, when the people got together to chant a Te Deum on hearing that the besieging army was gone; but, the music suddenly dying out, the air was filled with the sounds of sobbing.
The Leydeners, however, were weak and half-starved people, weeping over a great deliverance; these South Carolinians were weeping before endless bereavement and hopeless poverty. I doubt much if any community in the modern world was ever so ruthlessly brought face to face with what is sternest and hardest in human life; and those of them who have looked at it without flinching have something which any of us may envy them.
But then I think it would be a mistake to suppose that Southerners came out of the war simply sorrowful. At the close, and for some time afterward, they undoubtedly felt fiercely and bitterly, and hated while they wept; and this was the primal difficulty of reconstruction. Frequently in conversation I heard some violent speech or act occurring soon after the war mentioned with the parenthetical explanation, "You know, I felt very bitterly at that time." But, then, I have always heard it from persons who are to day good-tempered, conciliatory, and hopeful, and desirous of cultivating good relations with Northerners; from which the inference, which so many Northern politicians find it so hard to swallow, is easy—viz., that time produces on Southerners its usual effects.
What Mr. Boutwell and Mr. Blaine would have us believe is that Southerners are a peculiar breed of men, on whom time produces no effect whatever, and who feel about things that happened twenty years ago just as they feel about things which happened a month ago.
The fact is, however, that they are in this respect like the rest of the human race. Time has done for their hearts and heads what it has done for the old Virginia battle-fields. There was not in 1865 a fence standing between the Potomac and Gordonsville, and but few, if any, undamaged houses. When I passed Manassas Junction the other day there was a hospitable-looking tavern and several houses at the station; the flowers were blooming in the yard, and crowds of young men and women in their Sunday clothes were gathered from the country around to see a base-ball match, and a well-tilled and well-fenced and smiling farming country stretched before my eyes in every direction. The only trace of the old fights was a rude graveyard filled, as a large sign informed us, with "the Confederate dead." All the rest of the way down to the springs the road ran through farms which looked as prosperous and peaceful as if the tide of war had not rolled over them inside a hundred years, and it is impossible to talk with the farmers ten minutes without seeing how thoroughly human and Anglo-Saxon they are.
With them the war is history—tender, touching, and heroic history if you will, but having no sort of connection with the practical life of to-day. Some of us at the North think their minds are occupied with schemes for the assassination and spoliation of negroes, and for a "new rebellion." Their minds are really occupied with making money, and the farms show it, and their designs on the negro are confined to getting him to work for low wages. His wages are low—forty cents a day and rations, which cost ten cents—but he is content with it. I saw negroes seeking employment at this rate, and glad to get it; and in the making of the bargain nothing could be more commercial, apparently, than the relations of the parties. They were evidently laborer and employer to each other, and nothing more."
Reference:
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7257/pg7257-images.html
Highlighted Information or the Dynamics of Southern Attitudes
"Southerners are a peculiar breed of men, on whom time produces no effect whatever, and who feel about things that happened twenty years ago just as they feel about things which happened a month ago."
"Some of us at the North think their minds are occupied with schemes for the assassination and spoliation of negroes, and for a "new rebellion." Their minds are really occupied with making money, and the farms show it, and their designs on the negro are confined to getting him to work for low wages."
"They were evidently laborer and employer to each other, and nothing more."
Add the Southern States:
"Eleven states left the United States in the following order and formed the Confederate States of America: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, and Tennessee."
Add the U.S. Presidents Since 1861 (Confederate States of America formed) through 2017:
Name of President State Born In
15. James Buchanan Pennsylvania
16. Abraham Lincoln Kentucky
17. Andrew Johnson North Carolina Confederate State
18. Ulysses S. Grant Ohio
19. Rutherford B. Hayes Ohio
20. James Garfield Ohio
21. Chester A. Arthur Vermont
22. Grover Cleveland New Jersey
23. Benjamin Harrison Ohio
24. Grover Cleveland New Jersey
25. William McKinley Ohio 20th Century
26. Theodore Roosevelt New York - banking influence
27. William Howard Taft Ohio
28. Woodrow Wilson Virginia Confederate State
29. Warren G. Harding Ohio
30. Calvin Coolidge Vermont
31. Herbert Hoover Iowa
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt New York - banking influence
33. Harry S. Truman Missouri
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower Texas Confederate State
35. John F. Kennedy Massachusetts
36. Lyndon B. Johnson Texas Confederate State
37. Richard M. Nixon California
38. Gerald R. Ford Nebraska
39. James Carter Georgia Confederate State
40. Ronald Reagan Illinois
41. George H. W. Bush Massachusetts-lived in Texas Confederate State
42. William J. Clinton Arkansas Confederate State
21st Century
43. George W. Bush Connecticut -lived in Texas Confederate State
44. Barack Obama Kenya or Kingdom of Hawaii
45. Donald J. Trump New York
16. Abraham Lincoln Kentucky
17. Andrew Johnson North Carolina Confederate State
18. Ulysses S. Grant Ohio
19. Rutherford B. Hayes Ohio
20. James Garfield Ohio
21. Chester A. Arthur Vermont
22. Grover Cleveland New Jersey
23. Benjamin Harrison Ohio
24. Grover Cleveland New Jersey
25. William McKinley Ohio 20th Century
26. Theodore Roosevelt New York - banking influence
27. William Howard Taft Ohio
28. Woodrow Wilson Virginia Confederate State
29. Warren G. Harding Ohio
30. Calvin Coolidge Vermont
31. Herbert Hoover Iowa
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt New York - banking influence
33. Harry S. Truman Missouri
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower Texas Confederate State
35. John F. Kennedy Massachusetts
36. Lyndon B. Johnson Texas Confederate State
37. Richard M. Nixon California
38. Gerald R. Ford Nebraska
39. James Carter Georgia Confederate State
40. Ronald Reagan Illinois
41. George H. W. Bush Massachusetts-lived in Texas Confederate State
42. William J. Clinton Arkansas Confederate State
21st Century
43. George W. Bush Connecticut -lived in Texas Confederate State
44. Barack Obama Kenya or Kingdom of Hawaii
45. Donald J. Trump New York
References:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/Presidents
bing.com
other researches by Amelia Gora
Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii/Hawaiian Kingdom/Hawaiian archipelago
Pirates
Charles Reed Bishop Born In: New York - banking influence
William Little Lee Born In: New York - banking influence
Governors Appointed by the U.S. President
Sanford B. Dole Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii Status: Usurper
George R. Carter Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii Status: Usurper
Walter F. Frear Born In: California
Lucius E. Pinkham Born In: Massachusetts
Charles J. McCarthy Born In: Massachusetts
Wallace R. Farrington Born In: Maine
Lawrence M. Judd Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii Status: Usurper
Joseph Poindexter Born In: Oregon
Ingram Stainback Born In: Tennessee Confederate State
Oren E. Long Born In: Kansas
Samuel Wilder King Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii Status: Usurper
William F. Quinn Born In: New York
Elected by the People
William F. Quinn Born In: New York
John A. Burns Born In: Montana
George Ariyoshi Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii
John D. Waihee III Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii
William F. Quinn Born In: New York
John A. Burns Born In: Montana
George Ariyoshi Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii
John D. Waihee III Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii
Ben Cayetano Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii
Linda Lingle Born In: Missouri
Neil Abercrombie Born In: New York
David Ige Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii
Note: U.S. President Cleveland Gave Hawaii Back to Queen Liliuokalani Twice: In 1894 and 1897
See: http://iolani-theroyalhawk.blogspot.com/2017/11/overview-of-us-president-cleveland-gave.html
U.S. President McKinley had the Army, Navy, and Federal personnel "develop" the Territory.
U.S. President McKinley "Proclaimed" Hawaii to be a Territory of the U.S.
In 1912, the Territory's Attorney General documented that 'the Territory is the successor of the Kingdom of Hawaii'.
See: Updating the ILLEGAL U.S. Documented in Hawaii -A Review- by Amelia Gora (2016)
SUMMARY
Hawaii became infiltrated with People of Color haters.
Kamehameha III passed the anti-slavery law in 1852.
The U.S. passed their anti-slavery law in 1865 or 13 years later.
There were only a few word changes.
The philosophies of the Confederate States were taken on by those arriving in Hawaii.
It was the sugar planters of Hawaii who moved over to the Mexican's territory, then had the U.S. assist in claiming lands of the Mexicans.
The territory was renamed Texas and they were part of the Confederate States who fought the Union Army.
The attitudes taken on in the Hawaiian Islands and the U.S.:
"Southerners are a peculiar breed of men, on whom time produces no effect whatever, and who feel about things that happened twenty years ago just as they feel about things which happened a month ago."
Linda Lingle Born In: Missouri
Neil Abercrombie Born In: New York
David Ige Born In: Hawaii/Kingdom of Hawaii
Note: U.S. President Cleveland Gave Hawaii Back to Queen Liliuokalani Twice: In 1894 and 1897
See: http://iolani-theroyalhawk.blogspot.com/2017/11/overview-of-us-president-cleveland-gave.html
U.S. President McKinley had the Army, Navy, and Federal personnel "develop" the Territory.
U.S. President McKinley "Proclaimed" Hawaii to be a Territory of the U.S.
In 1912, the Territory's Attorney General documented that 'the Territory is the successor of the Kingdom of Hawaii'.
See: Updating the ILLEGAL U.S. Documented in Hawaii -A Review- by Amelia Gora (2016)
SUMMARY
Hawaii became infiltrated with People of Color haters.
Kamehameha III passed the anti-slavery law in 1852.
The U.S. passed their anti-slavery law in 1865 or 13 years later.
There were only a few word changes.
The philosophies of the Confederate States were taken on by those arriving in Hawaii.
It was the sugar planters of Hawaii who moved over to the Mexican's territory, then had the U.S. assist in claiming lands of the Mexicans.
The territory was renamed Texas and they were part of the Confederate States who fought the Union Army.
The attitudes taken on in the Hawaiian Islands and the U.S.:
"Southerners are a peculiar breed of men, on whom time produces no effect whatever, and who feel about things that happened twenty years ago just as they feel about things which happened a month ago."
"Some of us at the North think their minds are occupied with schemes for the assassination and spoliation of negroes, and for a "new rebellion." Their minds are really occupied with making money, and the farms show it, and their designs on the negro are confined to getting him to work for low wages."
"They were evidently laborer and employer to each other, and nothing more."
Several Examples are shown below of some of the U.S. Presidents with animosities towards People of Color:
Several Examples are shown below of some of the U.S. Presidents with animosities towards People of Color:
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